The Last Drink In The Last Chance Saloon


It is roughly seventeen months since this project started. Despite all of the revelations from this blog, and from other ‘new media’ outlets, little has changed in the world of Scottish football. This might seem a strange claim given that the largest football club in the country has become insolvent and now sits on corporate death-row awaiting its execution. However, the major institutions that feed on the blood of Scottish football fans: the SFA; the SPL; and the newspapers- appear to have learned little from events in this time.

They still believe that the people who pay their wages are imbeciles. They still dish out fatuous lies and peddle disinformation as if Sir David Murray was still in his heyday. The hysterical exaggerations and tales of impending financial doom should be transparent to the businessmen who fill most of the Chairman roles at Scottish football clubs. Anyone with even a few minutes of business experience will see through the lies of the Scottish football establishment. These scare stories are not the issue. It is the dangling of long requested changes in the structure of the Scottish game that will present clubs from both the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football League with a dilemma.

From their public statements, it is clear that the driving forces behind this attempt at league-rigging are SFA Chief Executive Stewart Regan and SPL Chief Executive Neil Doncaster. Despite being paid to promote the Scottish game, they have spent recent weeks trying to convince advertisers and TV companies that their product is worthless without someone representing Rangers’ legacy playing in the SFL1 next season. It is as if Sevco Ltd was a panacea and that this new club will be guaranteed promotion to the SPL within a single season.

Let us be in no doubt. Scottish football faces a period of turmoil and some financial belt-tightening regardless of what happens in any of the upcoming votes. (If Servco Ltd are forced to start in SFL3, the nattering nabobs of the mainstream Scottish sports press will doubtless blame every player transfer and setback on ‘internet bampots’ and shortsighted fans of so-called ‘diddy teams’). The Scottish game became unsustainable and unhealthily unbalanced towards just two clubs. In an era when it is easy to watch the best football from every country all week long, we need to extract the cancers that have been devouring our game for over twenty years rather than battling to preserve them. Among the assorted symptoms of the illness facing our game are:

  • Scottish football has failed to develop a single stand-out talent since the early 1980s
  • Scottish football has been spending more than it takes in for far too long
  • Scottish football has fallen far behind global standards in the quality of entertainment it offers

Scottish football had become dull and uninteresting for all but the fans of the two clubs that could entertain thoughts of ever winning the league.

There is a now a golden opportunity for creative minds to remake the game. Instead, we have intellectual pygmies telling us that everything in Scottish football is fantastic and must be saved at all costs. What is worth saving? Declining attendances? A terrible set of TV contracts that do not realise the full value of the Scottish game? A national team that cannot qualify for any international competitions? We have a game that is viewed with universal contempt for both its lack of technical quality and the lopsidedness of its top division. This is where our game finds itself almost three decades after the “Souness Revolution” started at Rangers. The false economies started by David Holmes, and placed on steroids by David Murray, eventually devastated all around it. Rangers embodied the ideas that financial might made right and reckless spending was the key to success. Their demise should be a cautionary tale to others to get their house in order. Instead, the Scottish football establishment wants to send the signal that if you are going to fail, make sure you do it on a spectacular scale: we will make everyone else carry you if it goes wrong.

Mr. Doncaster trained as a lawyer and has an MBA. If Scottish football was a case study at a business school, anyone submitting a paper that recommended crushing the last remnants of fairness in the game to prop up a failed old-order would not get a passing mark. Doncaster in particular is failing. (Funny that Messers Doncaster & Regan find it so easy to predict the effects of Sevco Ltd playing in SFL3, but could not use these same skills to anticipate Rangers’ implosion. Even when the aforementioned ‘internet bampots’ had warned years earlier of a crisis brewing at Ibrox, the men with the crystal ball today were unable to see something that was so obvious). When the dust settles on this disaster one way or another, one can only hope that Doncaster and Regan have absented themselves. It is clear that they lack the imaginations required to improve our game. Our hopes for restoring the thrill of Scottish football now rests on the men who run the clubs in the SPL and the SFL. We must hope that they have the backbone to stand-up to being bullied and the foresight to realise that all that is being dangled by Regan & Doncaster can be obtained anyway- without sacrificing the game and without the hired hands for whom this all appears to be just a job.

If fairness fails and Sevco Ltd is able to field a team in the SFL1 next season, it is for each fan to make an individual decision on whether it is worth returning to watch a game played with loaded dice. For those who do decide to go back (I am still undecided), something will still be missing in the game. An unfillable void will have opened. The men who will vote on this decision have to realise that they are not just voting on short-term revenues. They are going to irreparably alter the Scottish game whatever happens. Money will ebb and flow in football in proportion to the excitement and quality of the competition. If fans believe that there is no competition because a winner is preordained, money will leave and it will stay gone.

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7,916 Responses to The Last Drink In The Last Chance Saloon

  1. quickdraw says:

    I know Stu is away so maybe someone else can help me. Can anyone explain why it is that Celtic fans complaining about referees is self-pitying, paranoid drivel but when it’s any other club then it’s accepted as fact?

    Often within a single post we see Celtic fans dismissed as paranoid while the evidence presented amounts to “they can’t be out to get you cos they’re out to get me.”

  2. cowanpete says:

    I just checked out http://www.rangers.co.uk. . No season tickets available. [ i have since taken a shower ]… I wonder how they can possibly fund the current staff never mind even think about enticing new players to come to Sevco.

  3. DiddyCsweep says:

    Hang on a minute. If all Rangers’ away games are televised, SPL TV coverage is canned, the SFL trickles down its TV money to the SPL, SPL clubs are going bust, and the MSM predominantly covers Rangers, then does that mean that the SPL clubs have in effect relegated themselves…?

  4. Laughing Tim says:

    I reckon the lifting of the transfer ban is designed to smoke out Green by the good Rangers men at the SFA.
    Lets look at the situation,

    Green has no money, no one believes that he really wants to put out a team in the 3rd Division.
    Time is running out before BDO reverses his deal and blows the whole charade apart.
    He needs to sell the club, he has no income and Ibrox is a drain on finances, redundancies are happening this week. Thats if Charlie is a man of his word, a rarity in that district.

    Meanwhile Craigy boy gets to nip about Monaco with a blonde on his arm,while Charlie moves from safe house to safe house.
    Memo from the authorities, Craigy we haven’t forgotten about you. Your day is coming.

    Bomber is waiting in the wings to reopen the pie stalls to fund Ra gers, but Charlie doesn’t seem to fancy a home game. Why is that you ask ?, because to sell food or even play football, you need a licence and safety certificate, which costs money. Can you see a pattern here, nae money.

    Who in their right mind would commit to signing players on a year or more deal when you don’t know when your next pay day is. Thats silly spending money you don’t have.

    Everything in this sorry saga, reeks of deflection and subtafuge. The MSM are trying hard to put a positive spin on things, a silk purse out of pigs ears comes to mind.
    Every time a bit of seemingly good news comes out, up pops RTC, Barca, OG and Tommo to deliver a deft kick to the stones. Its easy when your target has hit the self destruct button so many times. I imagine it’s now a wee sticky up screw with a shard of plastic on it.

    Patience is whats required, there is no way out for them, years of pain and embarressment lie ahead. So go ahead Charlie borrow more money to fund a manager who is so inept and out of his depth, he wants to know if he can make up the deficit in the picture round.

    Time to finish with a rhyme, ( how many of them will do time, )

    Tick tock goes the taxmans clock, oh my god says the fraud squad,
    Lies and spin are the order of the day, shut your eyes it will go away,

    Sell the pies it will be alright, bomber you talk a load of shite,
    Dont take the titles its not fair, wee fat sally’s losing his hair,

    RTC has ran amock, jabbas just a fat cock,

    Spiersy, Keevins, Daryll too, its never too late to say you knew,
    Keep it quiet and say nowt, you got paid in Lamb no doubt,

    Follow the money is what they say, Craigy and Murray spunked it away,
    All thats left is dignity, well at least thats for free,

    A great big bomb is coming soon, whats that Barca ? BOOM.

  5. aldo67 says:

    just in after a busy nightshift, looks to me like SFA and newco as bedfellows.no surprise there.
    much more to be revealed over the next week, Hector must be tapping his feet at the thought of a pheonix rising from the ashes, fans will be the same.

    enjoyed the craic about the appollo, ozzy,sabbath,ac/dc,scorpions among many others oh and anvil :-(.
    heidbanging internet bampot at your service. 🙂

    as an aside if the ” hoon” word is banned here then why is it is ok for someone to use the word “mongol”…..and then make a jibe about certified social workers without apology.
    that kind of latent casual discriminatory language belongs in the past.catch yerself on.
    i work full time with learning disabilities assisting them to a rightful productive life and living.
    This type of comment really displays a lack of insight and understanding.

    certified charge nurse demands an apology.
    slan
    aldo

  6. Doon the slope says:

    Cloon

    I did respond to your question regarding religion and Scottish football. Unfortunately the post is now in cyber limbo awaiting moderation. My apologies, I did attempt to answer you.

  7. StuJag says:

    sarahleyden says:
    21/07/2012 at 7:39 am

    @7.32. Stu says: “You should try supporting a diddy team, and see how many decisions go your way.”
    ________________________________________________________________________

    I do and they don’t
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    And sometimes when two diddy teams are playing each other the decisions often don’t make sense for either team! I’ve been at games where I wonder what rules the officials are working by.

  8. dzugashvilli says:

    According to posters on RM the Daily Record is reporting that Southampton have agreed to pay SevCO £800k for Davis. (This must be in the print edition as I can’t find it online)

    Why, if this is true (perhaps one day something in that rag will be) would they do that? They have the temporary licence now.

    Is Souness back?

  9. nowoldandgrumpy says:

    iki says:
    21/07/2012 at 8:39 am
    3 0 Rate This
    “The agreement will now be ratified by an Independent Appellate Tribunal, likely to be convened early next week.”
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    Can this be guaranteed, there must be people with who will sit on the tribunal who have integrity.

    Can I get some of the legals answer the following please?:

    Can the SFA instruct the AT rather than advise the AT?

    Can the SFA define a punishment that has been shown to be out-with the capabilities and scope of the tribunal by the COS?

    Can they define this punishment without an amendment to the rules? (okay who laughed at the back)

    Can they change the scope of the punishment available without some form of SFA board, SPL and SFL agreement?

    Can the SFA overrule the decision of the AT, if they reach a different decision?

  10. quickdraw says:

    This post perhaps slightly off topic but i hope you’ll allow me some latitude. I’ve been thinking about the delay in the findings of the FTT. We all know that Murray wanted out because of the BTC and so did Lloyds hence the reason Whyte was able to purchase for a pound. So it seems to me that the thing which precipitated the whole crisis has been the demand from HMRC.

    What if the FTT finds in Rangers favour? Have they endured all of this for no good reason or has it only transpired because there is absolutely no chance of them getting away with it? I kind of hope it’s the former but that would concern me if i was running a business and HMRC were able to put me out of business because they felt like it.

  11. Domaine Jessiaume says:

    At the risk of sounding out of step with the mood on the blog perhaps even a little pious, Sevco should not be punished for the wrongs committed by Rangers FC.

    They are a new club. They have done nothing wrong. McCoist was manager of a club which was in administration when he called out the members of the panel – he should be disciplined for this, but the transfer embargo applying to Sevco is wrong.

    People on this blog should know this by now.

    Naturally, EBT use and non-disclosure of third party payments to players must be investigated and appropriate sanctions against the offending club should follow. If titles and cups were won by cheating, they should be struck from the record of the cheating club.

  12. StuJag says:

    quickdraw says:
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    Is it not the case that the BTC is an appeal against what HMRC are threatening to impose: that is not a matter of guilt or innocence but level of punishment. In which case it’s unlikely they’d “get off” completely but they might have to pay a lot less than the maximum – though this should still be several millions.

    Of course I could be wrong, perhaps one of the experts on here can elucidate?

  13. Moomins says:

    Domaine Jessiaume says:

    21/07/2012 at 10:06 am

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    So they should be able to claim the history of Rangers for free then? Waltz into the league shouting “We’re the Rangers, ye ken” and not have to answer for any of the sins of the organisation they are claiming to be?

    I’m sure you’d get no argument from anyone here that if Sevco were applying as Sevco then they should face none of Rangers sanctions (although they should at least have to go through the standard acceptance process), but they aren’t – this is their choice and they have to deal with the consequences of that. If they want to be The Rangers then they need to take the responsibility that goes with the name. Simple as that.

  14. Camus' gloves says:

    StuJag says:
    21/07/2012 at 10:07 am

    You’re halfway there – the FTT which has heard the BTC has appellate jurisdiction as RFC(IA) are contesting HMRC’s issuing of an assessment of the tax due. This was first issued in 2008…

    It’s not a question of guilt or innocence, rather one of do RFC(IA) owe tax in the sum claimed by HMRC from a starting point of “aye ye dae”

  15. MikeC says:

    Domaine Jessiaume says:

    21/07/2012 at 10:06 am

    At the risk of sounding out of step with the mood on the blog perhaps even a little pious, Sevco should not be punished for the wrongs committed by Rangers FC.

    They are a new club. They have done nothing wrong. McCoist was manager of a club which was in administration when he called out the members of the panel – he should be disciplined for this, but the transfer embargo applying to Sevco is wrong.

    People on this blog should know this by now.

    Naturally, EBT use and non-disclosure of third party payments to players must be investigated and appropriate sanctions against the offending club should follow. If titles and cups were won by cheating, they should be struck from the record of the cheating club.

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    All you say is true, HOWEVER – Sevco has applied to the SFA for a transfer of Rangers FC licence. If they applied in their own right you would be correct. Then again they would not get the licence since they do not have 3 years accounts. Catch 22

  16. I was at a game last season, Hamilton-Dundee, where the referee gave Dundee a penalty after their attacker slid into our keeper, who was favourite for the ball, and his foot caught the keeper in the face. There was total bemusement and then rage and anger when he gave the penalty. Probably the worst decision I’ve seen live. I can only imagine what it would have been like at Celtic Park. Referees are just incompetent at times and we all suffer for it. I have to say it is an extrermely difficult job and one I’d never do.

  17. Lord Wobbly says:

    Frank Galvin says:
    21/07/2012 at 8:21 am
    38 4 Rate This
    There must be a zillion sites in cyberworld where NME readers can chew the fat trying to outdo each other on who has seen the bestest bands the mostest times. So why do it here?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    NME is the music press equivalent of the MSM. It is no longer relevant and hasn’t been for years. It still thinks it is at the forefront of music commentary and yet it champions non-entities like the Gallaghers and Kasabian.

    But your right. Back to the mouldmasters on this site.

  18. Once A Bhoy.... says:

    History, what history?

    Fans of the old soosiders are yet again clutching at any semblance of a chance to reclaim oldco history. Why anyone would want it given its content I’ll never understand.

    They claim that by accepting the punishment this is confirmed.

    Eh no. This is a simple get out the corrupt authorities are using to circumvent their own rules. It is a SANCTION on Newclub for being parachuted into Div 3. It is not a transfer of history. It is a transfer of licence.

    If you want the history pay the debt before the liquidation process completes. If not then 1872 is dead…..dead…..dead.

    Simples.

  19. Michael B says:

    dzugashvilli says:
    21/07/2012 at 9:53 am
    0 0 Rate This
    According to posters on RM the Daily Record is reporting that Southampton have agreed to pay SevCO £800k for Davis. (This must be in the print edition as I can’t find it online)

    Why, if this is true (perhaps one day something in that rag will be) would they do that? They have the temporary licence now.

    Is Souness back?

    =========================================================================

    At the risk of losing any credibility I may think that I have…..
    I have a confession……
    My lovely wife has just came in with the DR ( we get it on a saturday for the telly pages for next week).

    The back page splashes with “GERS SAY YES TO SIGNINGS BAN”

    There are actually 2 stories under that headline. One is the signing ban,

    The other is confirmation that FIFA has ruled in favour of players who walked away.
    That this BAD NEWS story is buried under the headline showing the newco in a ‘positive light’, maybe says something about the DR, but I’m not wasting time speculating.

    The Story is continued some 15 pages back into the sports section where Div 3 is reported. After confirming the various players have been given provisional clearances have started to be issued by SFA, the article then goes on to state
    ” Davis also expected to join Southhampton for free, but RECORD SPORT UNDERSTANDS that a deal has been struck that will see Rangers receive around £800,000 for the NI Captain”

    MUST BE TRUE THEN

  20. Lord Wobbly says:

    dzugashvilli says:
    21/07/2012 at 9:53 am
    1 0 Rate This
    According to posters on RM the Daily Record is reporting that
    Southampton have agreed to pay SevCO £800k for Davis. (This
    must be in the print edition as I can’t find it online)
    Why, if this is true (perhaps one day something in that rag will
    be) would they do that? They have the temporary licence now.
    Is Souness back?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/sfl/2012/07/21/fifa-tell-newco-rangers-they-re-owed-nothing-for-stars-who-left-but-club-will-receive-800k-for-steven-davis-86908-23910816/

  21. longtimelurker says:

    BELLAMY1 says:
    21/07/2012 at 7:12 am
    1 23 Rate This
    longtimelurker says:
    20/07/2012 at 9:50 pm

    The Blue Nile at the Royal concert hall 1983ish were fantastic

    Think you’re a few years out LTL but thanks for the wonderful memories. Saw them at The Concert Hall for the first time around ’94/5 on the back of one track from my Panama Jax days “Tinseltown” then a decade or so later I’ll never forget Paul Buchanan’s sister talking to him from the balcony “Mum says you’re thin’” so intimate and once again they were amazingly good.

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    Thanks you correct mate it was 1990 as I said earlier my memory is going, it used to be great excellent in fact but I’m struggling with some details now .

    Must be an age thing anyway here you go

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Royal_Concert_Hall

    PS, bought Paul Buchanan’s latest CD, Mid Air, it’s very early Blue Nileish and pretty good especially the first track.

  22. bobbyevans says:

    DR article today, by some journalistic giant called Mc Dermott, referring to RFC (IA – soon to be liquidated) as Gers – several times.

    Seems a bit strange. Maybe he’s just using it as a sort of ‘term of endearment’ – for Scottish sport’s biggest ever crooks!

    …or perhaps DR thinks this could be the new name of the phoenix club (a rose by any other name etc!).

  23. slimshady61 says:

    quickdraw says:
    21/07/2012 at 9:59 am
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    It’s quite clear to me now, qd, that the reason for the deafening silence from the FTT is that it has been requested not to report its findings, and at the same time to hand over copies of evidence given during the hearings to one or other branch of law officers in these islands.

    I have seen this happen only twice before – under the old court rules where Commissioners or Special Commmissioners were the first court of appeal.

    But be assured of this, the continuing silence from the FTT can only spell trouble for certain individuals.

    Given that, it is not within the bounds of possibility that the result of the FTT itself may not be released for months or even years. That doesn’t particularly perturb HMRC as shortly they will have possession of the burst ba’ – that is once BDO are appointed caretakers of the corpse.

    Not surprisingly this blog enters a hiatus and sometimes veers OT – please all you 40-something and 50-something rockers, take your Apollo/Cream/Mott The Hoople/Led Zeppelin stuff over to the blogs that are designed for that purpose- or worse falls prey to the ever increasing number of trolls alerted to the fact that this blog is only 1% crap (CW lied again….).

    But the blog will be around until the FTT reports and in the interim there will be many important football issues that arise to be considered and dealt with.

    There does however need to be less hysteria about decisions by the governing bodies. In every sport, exceptions will always be made and that needs to be excepted.
    Two examples suffice:-

    Yesterday the Open was played over a course that would have been closed or part closed as unplayable in any other circumstances – the Saturday Medal etc.

    In my youth, top players at Wimbledon could play on any court at any time. Today the idea of Andy Murray or any of the top seeds playing on anything other than Centre Court or No 1 Court at Wimbledon, at any time other than prime time, is risible. Is it unfair on other players? Possibly. Does it give the top seeds an advantage? Most likely

    Is the policy ever going to reverse? No, if anything it will go the opposite way.

    And so on in every major sport.

    Sevco is heading out of business; I doubt it will get the licence to play next week and let’s reserve judgement till then

    54 to 0

  24. Egg says:

    Let us, the fans, reclaim our game.

    One little step at a time.

    The first steps (This season)

    Increased season ticket sales compared to last season. Encourage your mates, family, work colleagues

    Increased average attendance compared to last season. Encourage your mates, family, work colleagues

    Buy a corporate package (make the most of it and get pissed!)

    Lapsed-fans – give your team another chance. Even if it is only one chance.

    Have an away day at Clyde, Ayr, Raith, Peterhead or any other of our “like-minded” friends. New pubs and different women (or men) to tell you that your patter is crap.

    I know it is tiring, but do not give up until Doncaster, Reagan and Longmuir are gone. Ensure that they are replaced by people with both an unblinkered understanding of Scottish Football and a business brain. We are right, we are the good guys, they are not.

    I know it is tiring, but do not give up until Traynor, Young, Hartley, Dodd’s, Burley etc are gone. We are right, we are the good guys, they are not.

    Support your “Scottish team”. I understand why Man Utd, Barcelona or the Wellington Phoenix (I am in NZ) may be more sexy but those those teams are in many ways are not too different to the TTFMNAR and everything that is wrong in football. (Apologies to the Wellington Phoenix who are actually not to disimiliar to my team Aberdeen – unfortunately!)

    Every fan to buy an extra hat, scarf or macaroon bar to help your team.

    Every fan to buy a programme, pie or macaroon bar to help teams that you once “disliked’ but now realise that even though you still ‘dislike” them most of their fans are just like you and aren’t that bad after all.

    No fan buy a “red-top’ until they start telling the truth and apologise for their lies. Do not read the on-line version’s as it will only make you angry.

    Do not support those companies who believe that Scottish Football is not as an attractive marketing proposition without the team that has done it’s best to destroy Scottish football.

    There was always 11 Scot’s of the field in Lisbon, Barcelona and Gothenburg. Understand and support the fact that we may have to take a step back to take two steps forward.

    I am sure that there is many more little step’s that we can take in “Season One”. I am keen to hear them. Unfortunately I am a wee bit bit tired and the Speight’s and Castillo De Liria is starting to catch up on me.

    Us good guys have a wee window of opportunity, let’s stick together, and give it our best shot with no regrets down the line

  25. ExiledCelt says:

    Beauty of this blog for me is each pice of the jigsaw is given here and when put together in tis entirety shows the picture…….

    To summarize and show the jigsaw picture I have currently…..

    (1) Sevco Naemates have no money to function even as a SFL3 club and don’t seem to be really interested in playing.
    (2) CG has not given out the list of his financial backers as fit and proper folks
    (3) MSM and Sevco are desperately trying to keep their customer base onside – it really is Elvis.
    (4) SFA/SFL/SPL are doing a balancing act – trying to keep their existing customer base onside (us) while trying to keep future customer base intact (Sevco)
    (5) Many employees at Ibrox are being paid SPL wagers (Swally, Elbows, Trigger etc) while the business structure would not be the same for an SFL club income base – for example how many SFL3 clubs have 3 1st coaches (Swally and the missing AWOL pair of McDowall and Durrant and a reserve team coach) along with goalkeeping coach, physios, doctors and kit men etc.Do we know how much the board are being reimbursed? CG’s flight to Switzerland to meet with King/Whyte and Ellis was covered by whom?

    Due the this, we have utter confusion since everyone is bluffing and waiting for the other to show their hand…..

    SFA/SFL/SPL are trying to force CG into a corner saying ok we will accept you into SFL3 if…x,y,z are done. MSM says no fair. SFA/SFL/SPL say ok – how about x and y – agreed? They then announce its a deal. MSM and Sevco quickly say ok but maybe not. Still needs discussion then….

    Its apparant from the lack of restructuring that Sevco will not play next year.

    Whether CG will have the chance to be a hero and say we will not play under these circumstances for the Bears to see he is one of them and keep them onside

    or

    whether full sanctions are applied and we are all saying well done

    is still to be fought out.

    However – as Clinton would say – its simple stupid, rules, rules rules.

    If they had been applied we would all be onboard anyway!

  26. ExiledCelt says:

    On the subject of Sevco getting money for Davis – the first 3 words tell you that its pi$h

    Record Sport understands a deal has been struck between Green and the English side that will see Rangers receive around £800,000 for the Northern Ireland captain.

    Put simply Record Sport have still to understand the earth is round………

  27. Fans Against Corruption says:

    This appeared on RM last night, apologies if posted already, but can anyone shed any light?

    Investigation into youths:
    “heard from an excellent source tonight that the b******s from hampden are investigating irregularities in youth player registrations at murray park.something to do with the business of their sell on and where the money goes.”

    Anything potentially nuclear in this, do you think?

  28. Away Up The Pit says:

    First Time poster – Long time admirer of the RTC blog.

    In my opinion there has been a massive over reaction to the actions of the authorities in recent weeks.
    At the end of the day – all of the correct decisions have been taken throughout this whole sorry episode.

    1. Removal from SPL – there was no other possible outcome.
    2. SFL1 was never going to happen – but ND and SR were correct to present it as an option. I think that the media went a bit overboard in saying that this was always going to happen.
    (In my experience in business, when faced with a difficult decision it is not uncommon to present a whole raft of options). Given the clamour for the moral high ground of sporting integrity – SFL was the obvious place to put them.

    The delay to the FTT result are frustrating – but we all know that the result is in the bag anyway. It is just a question of when and how it is applied (ie. has it now been passed over to criminal investigation….)
    But either way HMRC will get their man.

    I know for a lot of my fellow CFC fans the frustration lies with the removing of titles – vial the dual contract investigation.
    There is a dependency on the FTT result here – so don’t expect anything in a hurry on this one.
    But rest assured – Sevco won’t be winning any titles for a long time. So we should show some patience and wait on the result coming.
    This is not something that is going to be swept under the carpet, and the results will happen in due course.

    So we should sit back, relax and laugh at the MSM’s pityful attempts to appease the blue part of their readerships/

  29. parttimearab says:

    “rangers” won’t be going belly up any time soon.
    Charlie has almost accomplished his mission – keep “rangers” in any league (obviously the spl was the preferred option) and keep the sfa membership.
    Now all he has to do is wait until the season I’d underway and flip the business for a tidy profit to Walter and Co or whoever.
    The question is,given the shy and retiring nature of sevco’s owners ……………….cui bono?

  30. ExiledCelt says:

    On the Scotland front, I have and always will support my country – where I get ticked off is when we have managers who would rather go scout players who may or not have a Scottish granny and beforehand had no connection with Scotland….

    Now if Messi had a Scottish granny that would have been one thing, but nothing I have seen from these imports in a Scotland shirt suggests they are anything better than what we have.

    Brue Rioch was born in Aldershot and Stuart McCall were both born in England but had parents who were Scottish so they were Scottish and knew what it meant to play for Scotland. Let’s pick players who are eligible (parents or birth) and forget the Granny watched Braveheart eligibility!

  31. TheBlackKnight TBK says:

    I see the SFL are attempting to broker a deal for TV rights with the assistance of IMG. Has this ‘sponsorship’ deal anything to do with AJ / DM?

    AJ was a senior VP with IMG.

    It couldn’t be the same company / sports media group could it?

  32. Para Handy says:

    Taken from the SFA articles:

    Membership criteria: means the criteria promulgated by the Board from time to time in connection with qualifying for associate membership of the Scottish FA in terms of Article 6.3.

    Has anyone on here ever seen said criteria? If so, would they be willing to share them or should I have a wee Sally moment and demand openness from the authorities?

  33. TheBlackKnight TBK says:

    Both IMG and Alistair Johnston are on the Old Club Creditor List.

  34. Once A Bhoy.... says:

    A wee question for Stewart and Neil. I know you have just about convinced yourselves that you have more inside knowledge than we do, that we are all naive and not in touch with the real world. However deep down you know that what you are endeavouring to push through is wrong and goes against any and all sporting values.

    That being the case, how much money does it take for an individual to forget any notion of having principles?

    I have come to the conclusion that I will never make it in big business. I just don’t have what it takes……thank God.

  35. Sepia says:

    A pal of mine made a daft suggestion, but then again maybe it’s not.

    His idea was to find a club with the required Euro Cup history to spare. SevconewRFC (soon to be sold on to “rangers minded” people) rents leases or buys this history as well as the other history. The SFA will have no problem transferring it as we have seen. SevconewRFC then have the Scottish record of Euro Cup wins. Enhanced value of SevconewRFC means profit for all, well some.

    Business can resume. Rules can be reintroduced. Rearrange the leagues, and the nightmare is over. Is this any dafter than what’s going on?

  36. Para Handy says:

    There is a wee cup competition at Firhill this weekend involving PTFC, Airdrie, Celtic reserves and Everton reserves.

    Given the recent bad press on here questionning the actual vote made by PTFC on July 13th and Moyes’ comments on sporting integrity, has this changed or impacted anyone’s intentions to attend?

  37. celt4life says:

    TBK

    Ah! The old “we grant NEWCO a license you deliver us a 25 match tv deal” handshake???

    Yes, let’s leave religion out of sport, never in it IMO, but keep the grubby, secret masonic traditions IN!!!

    Football in Scotland? Losing the will I really am.

  38. joe mccormack says:

    I see the headlines this morning and apparently Seveco are to get £800k for Davis yet Naismith and the oter traitors go for free.

    Unless I missed it there is not a single word of explanation as to why Davis is different to the others.

    But hey ho….Scottish MSM, we should be proud that they do joined up writing.

  39. Stanblack says:

    Referees may be incompetent but there are have been some games where the decisions have been unbelievable. Rowbothom with the Gascoigne show against Aberdeen and against Aberdeen again I think, the laugherty pretend assault.

    We had some strange decision in a Hearts Rangers game a few years back, we had the Celtic Rangers Dallas game and recently we had the refs givith and taketh away penalty for Celtic against Dundee united.

    Take away the refs communication’s devices and get the refs and officials to produce their match reports separately, that way the honest mistakes will be just that.

  40. Stanblack says:

    Could we buy a European team , transfer their European record to a Scottish team now that the SFA have allowed this type of switch to take place and increase Scotlands coefficient ?

  41. joe mccormack says:

    Ian Black to Seveco in SFL 3, possibly…..but he was on £10k a week at Hearts.

    Hughie won’t/can’t be laying out that kind of money. Ally will be starting the same rain dance he performed when Whyte was there…….we both want what’s best for the club dribble….etc etc as the MSM whip up a fervour amongst Seveco’s fans as they are linked with every journeyman player in the lower leagues, whilst the reality is that they cannot afford the smallest of fees therefore any dealing will be in the Bosman market.

  42. lastonetoleaveturnoutthelights says:

    limshady61 says:
    21/07/2012 at 10:32 am
    _______________________________

    The deafeninng FTT silence could well spell bad news and criminal proceedings.

    It’s curious though that Alex Thomson was told (by HMRC he says admittedly and not by the relevant court body) that a decision was due “shortly after Easter”. He seems to have a blog in prep for this. So there are contradictions.

  43. Private Land says:

    TheBlackKnight TBK says:

    21/07/2012 at 10:53 am

    I see the SFL are attempting to broker a deal for TV rights with the assistance of IMG. Has this ‘sponsorship’ deal anything to do with AJ / DM?

    AJ was a senior VP with IMG.

    It couldn’t be the same company / sports media group could it?
    __________________________________________________________________________

    IMG have been selling Media rights on behalf of Scottish Football for the last decade (at least). They sold international SPL rights, SFL rights and SFA rights.

    This was long before AJ’s involvement in Scottish football. One huge criticism of them, which astonishingly never quite stuck, was the sale of SPL international rights, (for a negligible sum) which backfired when Polesat’s aggressive marketing in Scotland, which involved beaming of games in Glasgow pubs with Polish decoders, was responsible for more empty seats at Ibrox and CP than were compensated for in the entire deal.

    Perhaps I am being melodramtic, but I would have categorised that as a scandal. Interestingly it went unreported in the MSM.

  44. slimshady61 says:

    ExiledCelt says:
    21/07/2012 at 10:52 am
    ——————————-
    I support my country, but from the comfort of my own armchair.

    I wouldn’t pay a penny to watch Scotland today, I spent too many evenings in the late 60s, the 70s and early 80s, getting soaked on the terraces of Hampden while listening to the “home” crowd, under the protection of a nice big protective roof on the west terracing, hurl abuse at several players from my team.

    Johnstone, McNeill, Hay, Macari, McGrain (moved to left back to accommodate Jardine) and, worst of all, Dalglish, whose treatment improved only marginally after his transfer to Liverpool in 1977 – all suffered from their own “fans”.

    The SFA has never really made the effort to be all-inclusive, and some things will never change, at least as long as CO is its president.

    54 (“…caps, Mr McGrory? you must be joking….”) to 0

  45. Private Land says:

    joe mccormack says:

    21/07/2012 at 12:13 pm
    _______________________________________

    Can’t see the likes of Black, repugnant as he is, playing in D3. He has bigger bones to break. Craig Beattie too, has far too good a conceit of himself to be plodding around in the lower leagues, and to be fair, he is a bit too good for that.
    Certainly he is a Rangers fan – or at least was when he was a kid, but I doubt the pull of the Royal Blue is as strong when there is little to play for and no glory on the horizon.

    Also, both of these guys will be looking at salaries way in excess of what Sevco can afford for now.

  46. jonsouthgen says:

    Rennes fan 10.10 Off Topic folks ,forgiveness.

    That was Neil Young`s Tonights The Night Tour.
    I was there as a long time fan since Buffalo Springfield days.
    The album is full of stuff re.Danny Whitten (the guy who wrote “I Don`t Wanna Talk About It” )
    who had died that year. It was the dullest concert ever(and i`m a huge fan of the man).
    The upside ? when for the first time as the curtains rose i heard the warm up band,
    The Eagles, play Take it Easy .Awesome vocals and a new band to follow.
    N.Y. played the whole album and then said “now we will play some stuff you`ve heard before”
    …and proceeded to play it again. Much to annoyance of an audience who expected Cowgirl in The Sand ,Heart of Gold and After The Goldrush.!!

  47. Barney says:

    First reply to SlimShady61 into moderation. Used the word CHVNK
    ===================
    I too witnessed the same abuse, but the demographic of the Scotland support is much changed now and much for the better. Those that follow Scotland deserve a better side than what they are getting. The SFA have to take a large part of the blame for the national side’s p!ss poorness.

  48. JaneM says:

    the Fm says in The Scotsman today he is willing to intervene with the broadcasters if necessary – but The Herald reports it differently. Do these guys not carry tape recorders -how hard can it be – I know politicians speak in code but its not that hard! is he intervening or not?

  49. Private Land says:

    slimshady61 says:

    21/07/2012 at 12:31 pm
    ______________________________________________________________-

    With the exception of the 1988 England – Scotland match at Wembley, I haven’t been to a Scotland match since the 3-1 victory against Wales at Hampden in May 1976, when the disgraceful treatment of Kenny Dalglish, which kept him on the bench, despite winning comfortably against the Welsh. An appearance (even in the last five minutes) would have seen Dalglish equal the record for consecutive Scotland caps held by George Young.

    Dalglish bears a grudge to this day, although on the following Saturday, he scored the winner at Wembley against the English.

  50. James says:

    Mr Longmuir, it’s the fans that are trying to get Scottish football back on their feet.
    I hope I don’t cause offence by putting something personal, about you not looking back… As far as I am aware there are many outstanding matters and bills to be paid. My mum, who is around the same age as a lot of you guys, got her legs taken off recently. She is very ill, lots of previous ops and poor care. Doctors gave her 24 hours, and she is still here, waited 11 hours on an ambulance very recently, and was told if she wasn’t in that day, probably dead in three. At times neglect in hospital too. Cutbacks, tax payers money…
    I hope they have to pay every penny back.
    I am sure you all could share the effect this has had on you, and other peoples lives. And also, where is the money coming from to sign players? What about the creditors? A lot of them old club fans too. I am not blaming old club for all that is wrong in society, and the global financial recession. They have not helped though, and it does have an effect on us all. So, Mr Longmuir, how about thinking about the bigger picture? It’s people’s lives and futures here, and much more than football too. My mum is sickened by their behaviour and attitude, the greed and contempt, and all the other fat cats too, and even said so hours before her big op, as she had 4 in 4 weeks previousy too. I am very humbled by both my mums strength and, also the posters on here trying to do the right thing for a better future, not just on footballing sense either.
    I do believe Scottish football will get back on its feet, unlike my mum. However, she outlived the dead team, when she got told she had no chance!
    As a therapist, sometimes clients have to look back in order to move forward, to learn, take responsibility and change. Could the SFA take a leaf out of that book please?
    I hope this hasn’t caused offence, and an aware everyone has their own stuff. I shall not be putting anything on like this again. And I hope you get my drift.
    Mr Traynor, how about wring an article on where the tax payers money could have been better spent? And possibly one about the damage it has done to the many creditors lives and businesses?
    RIP Reyna’s boy, and respect to DP and other old club fans, who look beyond football.
    Thanks.