The Last Drink In The Last Chance Saloon


It is roughly seventeen months since this project started. Despite all of the revelations from this blog, and from other ‘new media’ outlets, little has changed in the world of Scottish football. This might seem a strange claim given that the largest football club in the country has become insolvent and now sits on corporate death-row awaiting its execution. However, the major institutions that feed on the blood of Scottish football fans: the SFA; the SPL; and the newspapers- appear to have learned little from events in this time.

They still believe that the people who pay their wages are imbeciles. They still dish out fatuous lies and peddle disinformation as if Sir David Murray was still in his heyday. The hysterical exaggerations and tales of impending financial doom should be transparent to the businessmen who fill most of the Chairman roles at Scottish football clubs. Anyone with even a few minutes of business experience will see through the lies of the Scottish football establishment. These scare stories are not the issue. It is the dangling of long requested changes in the structure of the Scottish game that will present clubs from both the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football League with a dilemma.

From their public statements, it is clear that the driving forces behind this attempt at league-rigging are SFA Chief Executive Stewart Regan and SPL Chief Executive Neil Doncaster. Despite being paid to promote the Scottish game, they have spent recent weeks trying to convince advertisers and TV companies that their product is worthless without someone representing Rangers’ legacy playing in the SFL1 next season. It is as if Sevco Ltd was a panacea and that this new club will be guaranteed promotion to the SPL within a single season.

Let us be in no doubt. Scottish football faces a period of turmoil and some financial belt-tightening regardless of what happens in any of the upcoming votes. (If Servco Ltd are forced to start in SFL3, the nattering nabobs of the mainstream Scottish sports press will doubtless blame every player transfer and setback on ‘internet bampots’ and shortsighted fans of so-called ‘diddy teams’). The Scottish game became unsustainable and unhealthily unbalanced towards just two clubs. In an era when it is easy to watch the best football from every country all week long, we need to extract the cancers that have been devouring our game for over twenty years rather than battling to preserve them. Among the assorted symptoms of the illness facing our game are:

  • Scottish football has failed to develop a single stand-out talent since the early 1980s
  • Scottish football has been spending more than it takes in for far too long
  • Scottish football has fallen far behind global standards in the quality of entertainment it offers

Scottish football had become dull and uninteresting for all but the fans of the two clubs that could entertain thoughts of ever winning the league.

There is a now a golden opportunity for creative minds to remake the game. Instead, we have intellectual pygmies telling us that everything in Scottish football is fantastic and must be saved at all costs. What is worth saving? Declining attendances? A terrible set of TV contracts that do not realise the full value of the Scottish game? A national team that cannot qualify for any international competitions? We have a game that is viewed with universal contempt for both its lack of technical quality and the lopsidedness of its top division. This is where our game finds itself almost three decades after the “Souness Revolution” started at Rangers. The false economies started by David Holmes, and placed on steroids by David Murray, eventually devastated all around it. Rangers embodied the ideas that financial might made right and reckless spending was the key to success. Their demise should be a cautionary tale to others to get their house in order. Instead, the Scottish football establishment wants to send the signal that if you are going to fail, make sure you do it on a spectacular scale: we will make everyone else carry you if it goes wrong.

Mr. Doncaster trained as a lawyer and has an MBA. If Scottish football was a case study at a business school, anyone submitting a paper that recommended crushing the last remnants of fairness in the game to prop up a failed old-order would not get a passing mark. Doncaster in particular is failing. (Funny that Messers Doncaster & Regan find it so easy to predict the effects of Sevco Ltd playing in SFL3, but could not use these same skills to anticipate Rangers’ implosion. Even when the aforementioned ‘internet bampots’ had warned years earlier of a crisis brewing at Ibrox, the men with the crystal ball today were unable to see something that was so obvious). When the dust settles on this disaster one way or another, one can only hope that Doncaster and Regan have absented themselves. It is clear that they lack the imaginations required to improve our game. Our hopes for restoring the thrill of Scottish football now rests on the men who run the clubs in the SPL and the SFL. We must hope that they have the backbone to stand-up to being bullied and the foresight to realise that all that is being dangled by Regan & Doncaster can be obtained anyway- without sacrificing the game and without the hired hands for whom this all appears to be just a job.

If fairness fails and Sevco Ltd is able to field a team in the SFL1 next season, it is for each fan to make an individual decision on whether it is worth returning to watch a game played with loaded dice. For those who do decide to go back (I am still undecided), something will still be missing in the game. An unfillable void will have opened. The men who will vote on this decision have to realise that they are not just voting on short-term revenues. They are going to irreparably alter the Scottish game whatever happens. Money will ebb and flow in football in proportion to the excitement and quality of the competition. If fans believe that there is no competition because a winner is preordained, money will leave and it will stay gone.

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7,916 Responses to The Last Drink In The Last Chance Saloon

  1. embradon says:

    Alasdair Barratt (@alinalmeria) at 9.35 am

    I wonder if NewCo would see this as the best way to develop their younger players. I suspect the SPL U20 league would be of a higher standard that SFL3, so might not be attractive to future young talent.

    An alternative option I would consider is for NewCo to run a team of senior journeymen in SFL3, while trying to enter an U20 team in the SPL league. I’m saying its a good idea, just suggesting we look out for this happenning.

  2. Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

    Shyster, Flywheel & Shyster says:
    17/07/2012 at 9:44 am

    timtim says:
    17/07/2012 at 12:51 am

    For those who havent been to a lower league game
    then watch a few clips here ,its very competetive and not unskilled
    http://www.qphd.tv/

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    I have followed Livingston through Livi TV. They have 5 seasons of games archived.

    http://www.livingstonfc.co.uk/livitv.php

    Flywheel
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    This is what the games all about.
    Score a goal in front of a crowd made up 15 guys and a wee wummin walking her dug.
    Away behind the goal,arms going like helicopter blades(did the ref book the 1st wee stranraer guy?.),pure joy.To these guys it’s more about the love of the game than money.
    A wee lesson to be learned there,I think.

  3. Fritz Agrandoldteam says:

    Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
    17/07/2012 at 9:56 am

    Morning all.
    So CG is off on a pre season tour abroad whilst his “team” can’t play anyone, anywhere.

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    Charlie is roaming whilst his fiddle burns…………………

  4. Now that the SPL door is firmly shut in their face, I expect Mr Green will accept the SFL’s kind offer for Sevco Scotland Ltd [Sevco] to accept Associate-Membership and join SFL3.

    However, SFL membership is not without its conditions. With it comes SFL rules on player registration and a requirement for SFA registration. SFA registration is sticking as Regan wants Green to accept Old Co’s misdemeanours and penalties if Green wishes Sevco to trade under the name of Rangers FC using Old Co’s accounts, history and personnel (HSE, Safety, etc.), otherwise Sevco will have to (re-)apply for SFA registration as a totally new team with no links whatsoever to Old Co with no accounts, infrastructure, etc.

    If Regan has gained a pair and playing hard-ball, then I doubt Green will accept any responsibility for Old Co if in SFL3 and will either re-apply as Sevco or more likely sell the assets and walk away. Whichever, I cannot see things getting sorted within 2 weeks.

    I hope that the SFL have discussed a Plan B for filling the gap in SFL3, in the event that Sevco cannot fulfil its commitments.

    Flywheel

  5. Marvelous

    Grant Russell ‏@STVGrant
    While we’re being helpful to Mr Green, it’s worth pointing out UEFA are based in Nyon, not Zurich. Just to save two wasted trips

  6. Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

    Shyster, Flywheel & Shyster says:
    17/07/2012 at 9:58 am

    Quiz Question:

    Who said “Rangers will be in the SPL next season. I GUARANTEE IT.”

    Was it:
    A: Neil Doncaster
    B: Charles Green
    C: Ally McCoist
    D: Jim Traynor

    ===========================================================================

    E:Hugh Keevins
    F:Stuart Regan
    G:Billy Dodds
    H:Mark Hateley
    I:Gordon Dalziel
    J:Graeme Spiers
    K:Nearly every Rangers supporter I know. 🙂

  7. Trimm Trab says:

    Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
    17/07/2012 at 10:14 am
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    I started taking in Highland League games again a few years back. It can be easy to forget how entertaining both the games and the fans can be. The last game I went to had loads of amusing songs between the two sets of fans and a game more entertaining than 90% of the SPL games I watched last season.

    Better still its cheap and you can stand if you like – its easy to say “proper football” but its honestly a great day out. Its a shame more dont try it. Our big clubs are far too obssesed with money over entertainment (or competition).

    Its easy to knock Scottish football but if you can drag youself away from European co-efficients (and seeding designed to have only the biggest clubs from the biggest leagues in the comps) and look around theres probably a good local team worth seeing – I take my eldest to the odd game and go on a day out with my mates to others and make a day of it.

  8. ExiledCelt says:

    I used to go to all of the Celtic games in the 80’s home and away and then I moved to England just after Souness arrived (not because of him 🙂 – it was more to do with some lady called Maggie ignoring the jobless plight in Scotland at the time. However, after the 1988 season and the subsequent 1989 cup game, you had the feeling we were on the downward turn and I was getting too caught up in the new supremists arrival on the scene after their new heroes Butcher, Roberts and Woods replaced Craig Paterson, Ally Dawson and Nicky Walker 🙂 to be able to not get ticked off at the new found fans enjoying their WATP and be able to relax and enjoy football again.

    After I went to England, it became so different.

    I started going to games in England and doing the tour of all clubs in a radius near my new home that began small and got bigger as it went on. Watching games at Brentford, Orient, Swindon, Oxford, Bristol and Bournemouth were a delight and renewed my interest in football. Trips to Cornwall for the weekend coincided with Plymouth or Exeter playing. Watching a game out of interest with no care for the result was fantastic – finding new places to eat/drink and towns to see. It reinvigorated my interest in football beyond belief.

    This coming season, everyone should try watching other clubs on any occasion where your team is other wise engaged and get the same renewal of the football spirit. It is well recommended!

    Spread the wealth!

  9. Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

    SSN

    CG:
    “I’ve moved into a flat now.I don’t have to stay in “Safe Houses” anymore.
    Translated-I think It’s safe to come out and ask the very people I was hiding from if they would like to buy shares(not a controlling interest,mind) in Newco.Although they won’t have any control,I will,they,the fans are the owners!.

  10. joe mccormack says:

    Hughie is so far out of his depth he’s drowning.

    Time for him to get some experienced administrators together to give him advice.

    CO and Smudger would make a great team whilst working for nothing in lieu of paying back their loans.

  11. ExiledCelt says:

    On the Sevco conditions for membership – anyone else thinking that Regan got an email (yet to be leaked) from UEFA reminding him that no one shoudl be going outside of football courts to plead cases etc – and the pressure is on him to get CG to rescind his appeal and accept the punishment or UEFA will punish SFA……….

    CG may think he can call SRs bluff after his “no way in SFL3” speech – but I think SG is cornered on this one……..

    Wonder what Campbell would do in this case…………

  12. Reidy134 says:

    Off to buy our Livi season tickets, another plus side is I don’t have to rack my brain on our nephew’s Christmas present.

  13. ExiledCelt says:

    Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

    17/07/2012 at 10:33 am

    SSN

    CG:
    “I’ve moved into a flat now.I don’t have to stay in “Safe Houses” anymore.
    Translated-I think It’s safe to come out and ask the very people I was hiding from if they would like to buy shares(not a controlling interest,mind) in Newco.Although they won’t have any control,I will,they,the fans are the owners!.
    ****************

    Maybe CG has already started converting Ibroke into flats – and that is what upset Der Bomber.

    “See John – this marvellous staircase goes all the way up to my bedroom………….”

  14. Ordinary Fan says:

    Doncaster should not be allowed anywhere near commercial negotiations. If the Clubs don’t oust this weasel now they will be just as culpable when he costs Scottish football millions. The sponsors and TV companies involved must be rubbing their hands together at the thought of talking numbers with this snivelling, incompetent fool. He must go, the clubs will be well aware he can’t be trusted to negotiate.

  15. 100bjd says:

    1. Fan Club says:
    17/07/2012 at 8:38 am
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    Timtim @ 8.27
    Where’s the Ticketus debt? Unless they had a floating charge over some of the assets that Sevco bought or unless there’s some backhand agreement in place, I don’t see how Ticketus feature in this anymore.

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    The Ticketus deal has always been a bit of a mystery for me although the current answer on the facts that we have seen such as the Duffers interim report, detail that The Duffers annulled the contract. Ticketus rolled over and became creditors whilst taking Craig Whyte/Merchant PLC (men of straw) to court to recover their monies. It is pretty obvious that Ticketus are a professional organisation and knew the players in the game and what the money was being used for. I cannot believe that Ticketus screwed up this badly so I am going to have to get creative.
    I thought at the time that the Ticketus decision to effectively join the creditor list was a way of loading the CVA in order to get the 75% acceptance vote. In a CVA Charlie was going to float the business. Who is to say that Ticketus would not have had some equity in the new PLC and been given the rights to the season tickets once again in the newly created PLC. Getting even more creative they could use another tentacle of Octopus (the parent company of various Ticketus/i)such as say Ticketus 2 to transact the latest season ticket deal with the new PLC. This scenario would crystalise a tax loss in Ticketus 1, recreate the original or better deal in Ticketus 2 plus a bit of equity in the PLC.
    The downside risk plan which will have been organised by Zeus (Charlie does not do plans) is that in the event of an asset sale the club will be in the SPL or worst case SFL 1 so some players will be sold and the season ticket money revenue will be received in July which they will use for working capital until they conclude a new deal with Ticketus. Their estimate of the club being worth £50m “all day long” is undoubtedly a reference to the value of their forward debtor book, the season ticket revenue. Zeus have bought the story that over the next four years the season revenue is going to be in the region of £80m. This is the real prize in the whole deal.
    For example if I had paid £5.5m for the assets I could go to Ticketus and sell them the debtor book for £11m and double my money in short order. Ticketus would make £69m from this although the club would not survive for long without the season revenue. However if you look at the figures of £80m and £5.5m you could easily construct a deal where Charlie and Ticketus make good money out the deal whilst allowing Rangers/Sevco to limp along winning the lower divisions.
    This deal, however, is being scuppered by the “internet bampots” who have forced the people in charge of Scottish Football to obey their own rules and deal with Sevco/Rangers accordingly. Bomber (starve them out) Brown is also rocking the boat big time. The season ticket revenue is now in doubt not least because of prices in SFL 3.
    If my view is correct then it means that there has been an alliance between a number of parties MCR/Duffers/Whyte/Murray/Lloyds since day one and that they all have their adgendas. Murray wanted out. Lloyds wanted paid. Whyte saw the initial opportunity, The Duffers organised Charlie and made fortunes in fees both from deal advice to administration charges and Ticketus stood to make some good money on the seasons. Charlie also, but for people on this blog, would have had a good day at the office as well. The only real loser would have been Rangers/Sevco and it’s fans. As I have said before this is a “Manchester Stitch Up”! However the story may not have a happy ending because BDO will be all over this and Sevco will probably not survive too long unless Charlie produces a viable business plan and some transparency on his investors…………let’s hope Ticketus are not on the shareholders list!! And of course The Bears must buy the tickets! The deal focus here is THE TICKETS everything else is not worth the hassle.

  16. Allyjambo Taxpayer says:
    17/07/2012 at 8:59 am

    ExiledCelt says:
    17/07/2012 at 3:41 am

    Do you get the feeling that Doncaster knows he’s on his way and thinks it’ll make him look better if his doomsday predictions prove correct? Or he might even just be thinking,’if I’m going down, I’m going to take this stupid SPL with me!’

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    What I do think is that if Regan gets his grand designs agreed to, there will be only one body: The Scottish Professional Football League (or suchlike) which will only need one Executive. So either no more Doncaster or no more Longmuir. I know which one has handled himself better through this farrago of mismanagement.

    Flywheel

  17. scapa says:

    Shyster, Flywheel & Shyster says:

    17/07/2012 at 10:18 am

    Is that a Spartan I see warming up on the sidelines, ready to come on as a late substitution?

  18. jockybhoy says:

    Trimm Trab says: 17/07/2012 at 8:19 am

    Far more importantly in my opinion hes reducing the clicks to these articles and sites which have mostly been nothing more than biased propeganda.

    Conversely though folks, if you find articles you agree with, click on the link or go to the page. Better still get involved in the comments section (I’ve been on the Grauniad’s site commenting on “‘Rangers’ starting in the lowest league is a victory for fans over an inept elite” http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/16/rangers-lowest-league-victory-fans).

    Im not sure people realise that clicking on one of these newspaper sites is pretty much like buying the paper – your click generates money for the paper and hits for the article. We want to reduce the input these guys have and not generating money for them is the besy way. I can promise you it doesn’t quite work like that, but I’d like to echo the thanks on here’s for Stunney’s work in bringing the MSM into a place where it can be discussed in a measured way rather than having to wade through buckets of p1sh from people who have no idea about Scotland or football much less Scottish football…

  19. Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
    17/07/2012 at 10:21 am

    Shyster, Flywheel & Shyster says:
    17/07/2012 at 9:58 am

    Quiz Question:

    Who said “Rangers will be in the SPL next season. I GUARANTEE IT.”

    Was it:
    A: Neil Doncaster
    B: Charles Green
    C: Ally McCoist
    D: Jim Traynor

    ==================================================================

    E:Hugh Keevins
    F:Stuart Regan
    G:Billy Dodds
    H:Mark Hateley
    I:Gordon Dalziel
    J:Graeme Spiers
    K:Nearly every Rangers supporter I know.

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    And what about every Rangers supporter you DON’T know?

    Flywheel

  20. Lucculent Sam says:

    Fan Club says: 17/07/2012 at 8:38 am

    I don’t see how Ticketus feature in this anymore.

    They are owed £25M one way or another. How can Ticketus not feature in future episodes of this pantomime? Ticketus is one of the fat ladies who just has to sing before this show is over.

    Although I think they said they’d pursue the MBB/Wavetower and not RFC(RIP) for the missing millions, don’t count on this. Ticketus will want their money back with interest.

    When Duff & Duffer went to court to try and wriggle out of the commitment to Ticketus of 100,000 season tickets, the judge said “mebbes aye, mebbes naw”. So it’s by no means clear if any successor to RFC(RIP) which plays at Poundland will have to hand over 100,000 season tickets or not.

    Put yourself in Ticketus’s position. You could take the MBB/Wavetower to court. You might even win. But would you get your money and costs back? Remember the MBB has form for moving assets beyond the reach of creditors. And just recently, his Tixway company went bust leaving a court judgement in favour of Snowcast(?) unpaid. Other ventures owned or controlled by the MBB have suffered the same fate. A side action against Collyer Bristow (the MBB’s lawyers) could further complicate things and muddy the waters about who’s culpable for duping who.

    A less risky strategy might be to chase the new owners of Poundland or ICBINR to make good on that season ticket commitment. Let’s face it, the stadium isn’t going to walk away or move to a tax haven. Perhaps Ticketus will secure their missing millions by either getting a floating charge on the fixed assets of Deadco (the charge once held by the MBB?) or by taking ownership of those assets and leasing them to ICBINR.

    Either way, Ticketus are very much still with us even if they are under the radar at the moment.

  21. As I see it Sevco can’t become a new SFA member because it doesn’t have three years of clean accounts. But it can apparently apply to have the former club Rangers’ membership transferred to it.

    But how can this be the case when there is still a set of outstanding accounts for the old club? Surely that membership should be suspended and therefore cannot be transferred?

  22. New Blog: http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/post/27399786959/dont-dream-its-over

    In which there’s a lot going on but none of it really worthy enough have having a full blog devoted to that one subject alone so I did a compendium of thoughts!

    That Guardian photoshop gallery has been taken down after receiving complaints that it was mocking the soon to be jobless.

  23. redetin says:

    This is fae the DR:

    “These are oldco debts newco has got to face up to and this is the frustration we’ve had as a group where at times we are newco so we have to sit in this particular box.

    “However when it is convenient we are still oldco so we have to suffer the sins of the fathers.

    Green is working for two companies, RFC PLC, appointed by the Administrators, and for Sevco Scotland Limited (ignoring for the moment Sevco 5088), a point which both he and the DR refuse to acknowledge. Hence they use the term “we”, “Ibrox”, “Rangers” and “the Club” in order to attempt to fuzzy the relationship between the two entities.

    He’ll be in the classic position of wearing two hats (one for each head 🙂 ) when he attends meetings, and will be use to play this to his advantage, as he does with a gullible media which goes along with the .

    The question is why are the MSM apparently so gullible? Leaving aside the tripe of the DR and other rags, we have the main Scottish papers and the BBC all adopting the “Rangers” language and creating a narrative that suits their “reality”.

    A FAVOURITE QUOTE
    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

  24. Rocky sullivan says:

    Regarding the re-imposition of the transfer embargo, could someone tell me what I am missing here?

    The embargo was levied against rfc(ia), who as we all know are currently going through the final stages of shuffling off this mortal coil.

    Sevco, on the other hand is a completely new company.

    How can a sanction applied to the former company be applied to this completely new one?

    Can someone please explain????

    Apologies if this has been discussed before, but this seems curious and it makes me wonder.

    Is this some convoluted attempt to demonstrate that the lineage remains unbroken, or is it Charlie’s attempt to stop signings as he doesn’t have the funds?

    Or is it simply a case of me losing the plot here????

  25. redetin says:

    redetin says:
    17/07/2012 at 10:57 am

    That quote, btw, was from someone in the Bush administration.

  26. HengistPod says:

    Trimm Trab says:
    17/07/2012 at 10:31 am
    3 1 i Rate This

    Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:
    17/07/2012 at 10:14 am
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    I started taking in Highland League games again a few years back. [edit]

    Better still its cheap and you can stand if you like
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    Especially if you go to Deveronvale and just stand on the pavement on the main road outside. 😉

  27. Nowoldandgrumpy says:

    @robertthomson54: Neil Doncaster just claimed the SPL ‘compares favourably’ to the Belgian league. 70m Euro per season deal Vs £16m contract….eh?

  28. Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

    ExiledCelt says:
    17/07/2012 at 10:39 am

    Torrevieja Johnbhoy says:

    17/07/2012 at 10:33 am

    SSN

    CG:
    “I’ve moved into a flat now.I don’t have to stay in “Safe Houses” anymore.
    Translated-I think It’s safe to come out and ask the very people I was hiding from if they would like to buy shares(not a controlling interest,mind) in Newco.Although they won’t have any control,I will,they,the fans are the owners!.
    ****************

    Maybe CG has already started converting Ibroke into flats – and that is what upset Der Bomber.

    “See John – this marvellous staircase goes all the way up to my bedroom………….”
    =======================================================================
    “Stewart Milne Homes have made a good job of the conversion,don’t you think”.
    Bought on the 50% equity plan.
    “The fans of the team that used to play here put up my 50%”. 🙂

  29. On the subject of watching lower league games. I have watched my two eldest lads progress from 7-a-side at U9s to U21 and U19 respectively. One lad is in the EOS League and the other in Pro-Youth. I try and watch as many of their games as possible and get far more worked up watching them than I do watching games in the SPL (cup finals aside).

    Maybe its just me but I love football. If I am walking past a playing field and there is a game being played I’ll stop to watch, if I have time.

    This RTC has made me want to go visit as many SFL grounds as possible (with my youngest mini-me) and donate my admittance money. I am also going to go to their (online) shops and buy some item: maybe a mug maybe a shirt but I think certain SFL clubs need to be thanked.

    I am thinking of starting a collection of all 29 SFL team mugs + Spartans (which BTW I have already).

    Flywheel

  30. redetin says:

    There is even plenty free fitba to watch, as these players discovered in Aberdeen:-

    http://tinyurl.com/7zsx6jj

  31. Jimbo milligan says:

    On the Sevco conditions for membership – anyone else thinking that Regan got an email (yet to be leaked) from UEFA reminding him that no one shoudl be going outside of football courts to plead cases etc – and the pressure is on him to get CG to rescind his appeal and accept the punishment or UEFA will punish SFA……….

    CG may think he can call SRs bluff after his “no way in SFL3″ speech – but I think SG is cornered on this one……..

    Wonder what Campbell would do in this case…………

    ===========

    When the case got bounced back i remember UEFAs comments about making the member club accept the original punishment . Ive no doubt the SFA has no flexibility on that whatsoever.

    Duff and phelps have made many errors ,but i think going to the COS was the gravest.

  32. raintown67 says:

    STVGrant: Scottish FA say Newco Rangers does not need to provide historic accounts as they are requesting oldco’s membership

    I thought oldco had not met the audited accounts criteria either?

  33. Tyke Bhoy says:

    Rocky sullivan says:
    17/07/2012 at 10:58 am
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    The transfer embargo was placed on the SFA member. In an attempt to retain good history, while dumping debt, Sevco have applied to have the membership transferred (rather than apply for a new membership). SFA are insisting that any disciplinary action against the “former” member are accepted by the “replacement” member as a condition of the transfer.

  34. dunloytim says:

    Exiledcelt
    Redetin
    I know all that but why would eufa see him surely they would tell him to go through the sfa and not to be bothering them.
    This is just another example of how arrogant he and everyone connected to dead club are they believe rules don’t apply to them and as they are the peepil eufa will drop everything on thier desks are come to the aid of the mighty dead club

  35. Galway Joyce says:

    One of the very best things to have come out of this debacle is the recent appreciation of the guys running our small clubs. Not only their integrity, but also their ability. For too long we have been sold the ‘big is best’ mantra and been encouraged to dismiss the diddy teams and their diddy men (copyright Ken Dodd).
    We were told that guys from these clubs had no place in positions of power in the Scottish game. So, we’ve gone from the Turnbull Hutton’s of this world filling SFA committees to guys like Ogilvie & Smudger, and professional CEOs like Raygun & Donkeyasster.
    Then, of course, it occurred to me who it was that had been feeding me this line. The MSM. They’re the ones who encouraged us to think for decades that only Celtic and Rangers were worth reading about, worth watching, worth anything. These two clubs formed an alliance; sharing shirt sponsors, sharing power in our game, sharing a desire for success beyond our game.

    The most obvious success of RTC has been to uncover the break in trust, not only between RFC and Scottish football, but specifically between RFC and Celtic. From the outside it appeared that there was a level-playing field between the two clubs, a two-horse race for supremacy in the SPL, but now we know that was never the case. Celtic shook hands with Rangers on a deal but didn’t have the wiggly finger to make that deal stick. Of all the clubs let down but Murray’s madness, Celtic must feel the most betrayed and it is to their very great credit that they have held their counsel because the MSM would’ve used every last word as a nail being rammed into RFC’s coffin.

    However, to my mind, RTC’s other great success is to have created a wrecking ball that’s demolished the Berlin Wall of bias against the wee clubs. Once more they are appreciated and valued. Once more their directors have found a voice in emphasing what is good and true in our national sport.

    Scottish football cannot thrive if all its energy and focus is set on two clubs instead of shared between forty-two. And I say that even if one of them hadn’t been cheating.

    I blame the MSM journos, but even more I blame the ex-players who forget the teams that gave them a start in the game and reduce their value to dust with their snivelling supremacism. Dump Burley and Dodds and the like, they have nothing valuable to say. Put Chico, Jabba, Speirs and Co out to pasture and start a fresh crop of intelligent, articulate, media men.

    These people are an embarrassment and they’ve conspired to almost kill off our football

  36. Jimbo milligan says:

    Can a club sell its SFA membership to another entity ?

  37. joe mccormack says:

    A couple of weeks till the season starts, no licence yet.

    No pre season games, players still departing( Hughie must be breathing a sigh of relief at that)

    Management team will need to be revamped, surely….redundancies here as well?

    Who are the Blue Pitch investors. If Hughie won’t name them then surely the SFA just have to go and ask D&P as they are the guys who are supposed to vet the incoming investors and directors on behalf of Newco.

  38. exfallhoose says:

    Rocky, it is also beyond me but I suspect that it has something to do with CW (remember him?) separating the Football Club (and assets) from the now defunct plc quite some time ago. The plc had committed all the sins and were ‘awarded’ penalties though they were by now, a mere shell. The separated club, I suspect, thought that they could keep in the SPL in some form or another. As for accounts – you simply send in the old accounts as yours …. ah but there is the missing current accounts .. easy, you change the rules.
    I presume the major ‘injured parties’ are waiting for the wheel to stop spinning, for Judge Hodge to make a judgement et al. They will then follow the money …. breaking in to song, ‘Follow Follow …’
    Then there is The Taxman – the old plc will owe the money but he may yet, especially if Hodge delivers, ask BDO to claw back the ‘stolen’ assets.
    …. or all of this may be amateurish nonsense …

  39. Nowoldandgrumpy says:

    Does WATP now mean Were Away To Peterhead?

  40. Nowoldandgrumpy says:

    @STV_Andy: Also confirmation from SFA that Compliance Officer will follow up Ally McCoist’s Judicial Panel comments “upon conclusion of other issues”

  41. Lucculent Sam says:

    Rocky sullivan says: 17/07/2012 at 10:58 am

    Regarding the re-imposition of the transfer embargo, could someone tell me what I am missing here?

    The embargo was levied against rfc(ia), who as we all know are currently going through the final stages of shuffling off this mortal coil.

    Sevco, on the other hand is a completely new company.

    How can a sanction applied to the former company be applied to this completely new one?

    The sanction wasn’t applied to Deadco. Duff & Duffer took the SFA to court and got the decision of the Appellate Tribunal overturned by a judicial review. So now the AT has to reconsider. The SFA has to take further action because UEFA and FIFA take a very dim view of footballing disputes ending up in the courts. More so when the disputes are between clubs and their national associations.

    Sevco/ICBINR is applying for SFA membership and wants to assume the footballing identity of Deadco. So the SFA has decided to impose certain conditions on that over and above the usual fit and proper person tests. (No sniggering at the back!) These include settlement of Deadco’s football debts, some sort of punishment for going to the Court of Session and whatever the AT decides is appropriate for offences that were one step below match fixing. ICBINR seem to be saying they’ll accept the one year registration ban — as if they have the money to sign anyone or will find anyone prepared to play for them — for fear a new AT hearing imposes something worse.

    Now you’re right to say that Sevco/ICBINR is a different legal entity from Deadco. In theory it shouldn’t be punished for the crimes of its toxic predecessor. But as it wants to be identified as Deadco, the SFA’s decided Sevco/ICBINR has to be seen to take the rap for some of Deadco’s crimes. If the SFA didn’t do this, other clubs could well pull similar stunts and use a phoenix company to escape significant punishment for bringing the game into disrepute, not paying gate money or transfer fees, etc.

  42. joe mccormack says:

    So finally the Compliance Officer will be having a look at McCoist’s ‘who are these people’ outburst.

    One things for sure Ally, these people are defintely not ‘we arra peepul.’

  43. easyJambo says:

    embradon says: 17/07/2012 at 9:25 am

    I haven’t seen anyone discussing where NewCo’s reserve/U20 team is going to play next year? This is likely almost as significant as where their first team is playing in terms of how NewCo is able to develop over the next few years. I can’t see many youth internationals wanting to play Div 3 standard reserve teams and if they leave it will impact the ability of NewCo to grow their own talent.

    Does anyone have insight into what will happen?
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    It is one of the things that interests me too as I watch a lot of youth football. SPL clubs are required to field an U20 side this season as part of their membership criteria (U19 last season). The SFL have their own voluntary U19 and reserve set up with several of the youth sides being pretty decent. QOTS got to the Youth Cup final last season and Livingston got to the semis the season before.

    As far as Rangers is concerned, some of their better youth players have already walked away including twins Tom and Kim Skogsrud who joined them from Man City. As you say some of their players will have greater ambitions that Div 3, but if they think it through then it can also be seen as a huge opportunity to play for the first team and develop that way. Young players do develop quicker if they play regularly against adults.

    Last season, Rangers U19 side was the weakest they have had for a number of seasons (they finished 5th behind Celtic Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen) so they clearly don’t have the country’s best young talent at that age, although they are stronger in other age groups.

    However, I’m sure that the SFA will want to see Murray Park continue to be used as an “Elite” Academy and will subsidise it as they do with the other elite clubs. Whatever view you have about RFC, the facilities at Murray Park are excellent and they would be a loss to Scottish football. It may be that if Sevco are unable or unwilling to maintain the academy, then the SFA may step in and use it as a National centre of excellence, albeit they would have to break the link between the academy and the club.

  44. easyJambo says:
    17/07/2012 at 11:57 am
    So the SFA would help Rangers cashflow via a sale or lease of MP. Nobody could complain really as it would be a huge gain for Scottish football, or a huge loss if it was left in mothballs for 4 years.

  45. Notoverthehill says:

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    Can anyone with a business background see any way that sevco scotland can possibly fund a season in div 3
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    No! They could not even fund the neccessary restructuring costs. I have been posting for weeks about Sevco 2 being a real possibility. All the restructuring should have taken place during the Duffers administration. The Duffers had a duty of care for the employees at Ibrox to accept a plan with a workable business model. Patently this did not happen.
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    Someone tweeting earlier that maximun charge in Div 3 is £12 per game.
    With say 20 home games with crowds of 20k(and I think that’s optimistic) that’s £4.8m.
    No TV,European cash,drop in sponsorship etc,Sevco will be lucky to turn over £10m.
    Can they survive on 850k per month?.
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    TJ…there is an obvious £5.2m “black hole” in your most reasonable assumptions re the Sevco business plan/model…may I respectfully ask where the plugging assumption(s) would come from?
    I envy not a jot the job of the Sevco beancounter to turn these basics into a cash flow forecast for a bank presentation…I have suffered “more from less” in my past life….but then I was dealing with honourable and trustworthy/creditworthy individuals.
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    EBC,
    The black hole may be more than £5.2m.I don’t think they’ll get 20k at home games.The £5.2m is an optimistic figure allowing for hospitality or any other income.
    What I’m saying,not to successfully is I think with an income of £10m per year,Sevco would find it hard to complete the season and the £10m figure may be above their actual turnover.
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    TJ…your point is perfectly valid.
    If we start from a fixed cost base of, say, £5m, the initial “black hole” would normally be plugged by “achievable” income, i.e. what is realistic and feasible under all circumstances and taking the “toxic brand” circumstances into account.
    Whatever these figures may be, and I am not privy to the detailed figures and underlying assumptions, there is an obvious immediate cash flow crisis, bearing in mind the assumed credit rating of Sevco, not ST inflows etc.
    I see liquidation within three months, unless Mr Green can sweet-talk his “investors”…and not even Messrs Brown and McCoist can help by promoting the sale of pies…!

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    I would suggest that Sevco can survive!

    Basing on an average seat price of £12 in SFL3 is nonsense.

    The real fans will pay at least £20 average seat price, with Sevco winning at least 17 of the 20 games. The real scavengers are Duff and not so Phelpless. Most of the Sevco £8 millions will end up in Administrative costs. Disposing of those 2 “sharks” is a no-brainer.

    IF £10 millions is the bottom line for Sevco to survive 2012/2013, then Sevco will survive. English clubs will be only too glad to play a friendly or for a “caviar jar” as a trophy for the winner!

    I have a spreadsheet with Ibrox and MP costs, so I will fiddle with various scenarios as Sevco gears up for a Sale?

  46. Scapa says:

    Lucculent Sam says:

    17/07/2012 at 11:52 am

    It really is very simple, and for once the SFA are spot on, you want the footballing history, then you take all of it, including any outstanding or future sanctions.

    Green is between a rock and a hard place here, with no exit strategy, other than running for the border.

  47. 5StarsorBehindBars says:

    Re the 200,000 fans…. wouldn’t they have been best to support a share issue for £250 each, which would have given the £50m Minty was after… then at least they would have been properly supporting their club. Instead, they decided to lap up the MSM garbage for years… and when it came to the crunch still kept believing the MSM garbage re multi-millionaire wealth coming to save them… even at that point when the MBB was being touted in the New Media as a rogue, the fans and the MSM just turned a blind eye.

    Once that all fell apart, where was the concerted effort by fans to support the club; no, even then, after all that had gone before, they still believed that someone would save them,,, that the BTC would not hit them, that it was all a bad dream and another Minty would walk in and save the club.

    At no point did any group of fans wake up to reality… wake up to the fact that the MSM were full of it…. wake up to the fact that RTC (among other noticeable blogs) were right all along.

    Contrast this to the fans of all other clubs across Scotland… not only did they embrace the new media, they brought about real change in the face of a Grand Corruption hell bent on bringing more disgrace on an already discredited set of “Institutions”. The concerted response evident not only on here but on all sorts of fans forums brought about the overwhelming SPL vote. Following on from this, not only the SFL fans but a group of directors for the SFL clubs showed exactly what it means to support football as a sport; some truly outstanding statements, culminating in the complete rejection of the Grand Corruption and also assigning Newco to a scarely deserved SFL3 berth, still to be ratified (and good luck with that).

    What this has shown to me is a clear way forward for Scottish football; entrust the power to make responsible decisions to those that have shown they would handle that power responsibly. Forget the politicians, forget the current establishment executive. I’d propose that initially Supporters Clubs across Scotland unite (excuse my ignorance if an independent body such as this already exists, I cant find one) and bring about their own proposals, to be discussed with their own clubs, along with the SPFA, and design a blueprint for how to take the game forward. I’m not saying that some of the initiatives already proposed aren’t valid, I just think the people currently in power have lot the trust of the Scottish football public to take them forward. It does require a revolution of sorts. I’d trust the clubs can put this in motion – already had the SFL bringing up a No Confidence vote in Stewart Regan, knocked down as “inappropriate at this time” – which is a complete nonsense. That needs to progress, along with s similar motion for the SPL. That would be a start; then it can grow from there.

    Change from the grass roots up; not from discredited authority on high – its already worked, it can keep working.

  48. Rocky sullivan says:

    Thanks for the replies everyone, concerning my earlier post.

    Still suspect something iffy going on here though……..

  49. embradon says:

    easyjambo at 11.57 am

    Some interesting thoughts. I wonder if the SPL would provide dispensation to allow NewCo to field teams in the youth competitions of the SPL? I also wonder if other SPL sides would object?

    I think you are right about youth players developing quicker if they get the chance to play against adults; however, I wonder whether some of the NewCo youngsters might see SFL3 as below them. I would imagine the SPL U20 league would be overall a better standard than SPL3, although youth players in SFL3 would get the advantage in playing in an adult competition.

    Anyway glad someone else is interested in this topic. Maintaining their youth set-up is going to be critical for NewCo and I can see a lot of other SPL teams eyeing the talent available at Murray Park if players start to leave.