Rangers Face Their Fate


“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a harder battle” – Plato

As dawn breaks over Edinburgh this morning, The Rangers Football Club plc, will see its last sunrise in a world where it can influence its own fate.  By this evening, the future of the famous football club shall lie in the hands of three tribunal judges.  If this case finally concludes today (as I believe, and hope, it will), the clock will start ticking down to the decision that will see Rangers released victorious to thrive again or suffocated by an unpayable debt.

The waiting time for the outcome shall depend upon how much work the judges have prepared in advance of the final days’ summations.  If they have written up their findings of fact in advance of this week, a decision might come within a matter of a few weeks.  (Following tribunal process, both sides have presented their versions of the facts of the case in previous sessions).  Much more likely, given the volume of evidence presented, is that Rangers’ fate will not be known until late March or early April.  In fact, there is no deadline on when a result must be published.  A few exceptional decisions have taken over a year to be released.

As the Scottish media and Rangers’ own supporters slowly wake up to the danger, it is worth revisiting the efforts expended to deflect and deny that this story was even true.  Following fast on the heels of an April 2010 News of The World (RIP) story that HMRC were planning an attack on “Scottish football clubs”, Darrell King of The Herald and Evening Times published details (delayed to avoid possibly derailing league victory) that Rangers were the specific club being targeted.  Despite getting the basic facts correct, King’s newspapers were forced into humiliating retractions.  With his wings clipped, he avoiding discussing the subject until very recently.

Rangers’ Chairman at the time, Alastair Johnston, cunningly misled fans and shareholders in media releases and at Rangers’ AGM in 2010.  While his statements were not inaccurate in the strictest sense, they were designed to give the impression that the tax issue was a matter for the club’s parent company and that “‘I do not think it should be a material concern for us“.

The subject was then dropped.  For Scotland’s famously craven and incompetent sports hacks, it was business as usual.  They reprinted PR-firm lies in return for access to transfer trivia.  Any attempt to discuss the tax case in public fora was met with either derision or “may I remind you that we are a live broadcast“.  If there is a legal barrier to commentary, it seems to apply only in Govan- as the media’s frequent flaying of Hearts’ owner continues to demonstrate. The most important story in the history of Scottish football was ignored and left to die.  For the general public, the attitude to the tax case could be summed up as:  “If there was any truth in this story, the newspapers would be all over it“.

The inspiration to start this blog was my incredulity at the degree to which the Scottish media had been co-opted.  Sitting quietly in possession of the truth about what was happening, I could not believe that this story had not found a single champion inside the reporting establishment.  At least fifty people, in seven or eight organisations, knew what I knew.  In a city where the faintest whiff of a story involving either Rangers or Celtic is relayed like a shock-wave, that no one was talking seemed remarkable.  Then I realised why- no one trusted the hacks.

The people with access to the facts of this story are no mugs.  We all understood the tight-knit corrupt ‘clubbyness’ of those within the sports media-Rangers axis.  Promises of confidentiality would be breached for a glass of burgundy and a plate of succulent lamb. Gossip traded over too many whiskies could ruin your career. No one in their right mind would talk to an establishment reporter for fear of being burned in return for an “exclusive” on which foreign superstar was being tracked by the Ibrox club.  (Darrell King was fed his story in April 2010 by Rangers’ director Dave King who was trying to launch his own bid to buy the club, coincidentally enough, for £18m for the debt + £1 for the shares.  So it hardly counts as socking a blow against ‘The Man’).

When any facet of society is able to conduct its business beyond public questioning corruption follows.  The sloth of the sporting wing of the journalism profession in Scotland has played a large role in bringing our national game to this point.  In the next 12 months, it is more likely than not that two of the three largest clubs in the country will file for insolvency.

As a Celtic supporter, I fall prey to the occasional bout of Schadenfreude over Rangers’ misfortunes.  It is the very essence of the rivalry between supporters of these clubs: no quarter asked, none given.  One of the best aspects of this blog is the way in which articulate and reasonable fans from both sides (and even a few others) can have an online discussion that does not degenerate into sectarian bile hurling. However, my contempt for what passes for a sports journalist in Scotland today has grown to the point where Rangers are almost a side-issue.  Ill-informed, arrogant, and lazy, they have failed to do their jobs.  I doubt that any of them dreamt of copying-and-pasting transparent lies for corporate interests when they made their career choice. However, they sold their souls for an easy life. For them, no worrying about cultivating contacts or having to have an original thought. I wonder how they face the mirror in the morning.

We will find out Rangers’ fate soon enough.  If, as I expect, the tribunal finds heavily against Rangers, the inquest and recriminations shall begin. It is unlikely that much blame will find its way to the right places. Already the media pack are working hard to narrow down the options for remedy: the only game in town appears to be that a newco-Rangers must be allowed immediate and free entry to the Scottish Premier League.  Scotland’s football journalists will brook no discussion about anything that threatens their gravy-train.

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I have information on Rangers' tax case, and I will use this blog to provide the details of what Rangers FC have done, why it was illegal, and what the implications for what was (updated) one of the largest football clubs in Britain.

3,349 Responses to Rangers Face Their Fate

  1. pedro says:

    Adam – it was hilarious for if sounded ridiculous, and sad considering how much he screwed the motherwell players. interestingly, none of the old firm fans gave a crap about that then – wonder if whyte does the same, what will be said.

  2. Brenda says:

    What’s happened did I say something wrong? posts awaiting moderation? 😦 I was genuinely trying to calm things down today. It all got a bit nasty.

  3. TheBlackKnight says:

    Queens Knight to Bishops 7……… The end game looms 😉

    Betts resigns, Ellis appointed director of RFC PLC.

    http://www.plus-sx.com/newsItem.html;jsessionid=7A56A3E25B8F1D65FD82597060990675?newsId=1470217

  4. ClashCityRockers says:

    Brenda says:

    20/01/2012 at 5:41 pm

    What’s happened did I say something wrong? posts awaiting moderation? I was genuinely trying to calm things down today. It all got a bit nasty.
    ————————————————————–

    It was a blanket moderation by RTC, regarding this mornings eh! debate/debacle.

  5. TheBlackKnight says:

    DJ Rangers Football Club Plc Directorate Change

    TIDMRFC

    The Rangers Football Club P.L.C. (the “Company” or the “Club”)

    Directorate change

    The Company announces the following changes to the board:-

    Andrew Charles Peter Ellis, age 44, has been appointed as a non-executive
    director with immediate effect.

    Current Directorships Directorships in last 5 years

    The Rangers FC Group Limited Braidhall Consultants Limited

    Blunham Properties Limited

    Newaston Limited

    No further disclosure pursuant to Rule 71 and paragraph 18 of Appendix 1 of the
    PLUS Rules is required in relation to the appointment of Mr Ellis.

    Furthermore, the board announces that Philip Betts has resigned as a director
    of The Rangers Football Club P.L.C.

    The Board would like to thank Mr Betts for his valuable contribution to the
    Company.

    Craig Whyte, Chairman, said “On behalf of the board I am pleased to welcome
    Andrew Ellis as a non-executive director of the Club. Andrew is already a
    director of the Rangers FC Group and his previous experience in football will
    be a benefit to the Club as we look to the future.”

    “I would like to thank Phil Betts for his contribution to the board and the
    Club following the takeover last year.”

    The Directors of The Rangers Football Club P.L.C. accept responsibility for
    this announcement.

    END

    (END) Dow Jones Newswires

    January 20, 2012 12:00 ET (17:00 GMT)

  6. pedro says:

    black knight – would like to say this means something to me, but no idea what betts brought to the table.

    same goes for Ellis.

    what do you believe the significance to be?

  7. Brenda says:

    ClashCity Rocker
    cheers 🙂 quite right too 🙂

  8. v says:

    Chill, Brenda, it wasn’t anything you said!

  9. easyJambo says:

    Ok – why the director change now?

    Has Betts achieved what he set out to do on the RFC board and is moving on?
    Has Betts got something else on his plate?
    Has there been a breakdown in communications between CW and PB?
    Is it an agreed change on a certain date?

  10. TheBlackKnight says:

    pedro on 20/01/2012 at 5:49 pm

    I believe you should read this. P3 I think?

    Click to access 0,,5~161357,00.pdf

  11. shake the room says:

    Sh*t..my hopes were dashed earlier,I glanced at the news paper shelf..screaming front page of todays DR :0
    i thought Keevins, King & co have only gone & stormed the marble staircase …GUTTED !!
    …Turns out to be a similar story line though 🙂

  12. the taxman cometh says:

    would this be required if Betts were to be chairman of newco?

  13. Tyke Bhoy says:

    Night Terror says:
    20/01/2012 at 4:40 pm

    Possibly because Col has spent most of the last 48 hours, in several posts, denying the conclusion and initially insisting on the FTT reconvening in May. His evidence was initially no official announcement of the conclusion and then his mysterios source.

    RFC fan and denial on this blog now that’s irony.

    PS I am aware Captain Bob, Adam and OnandOnx3 aren’t in denial of the FTT and its probable implications and apologies to any other Rangers fan posting who is similarly aware.

  14. An interesting day.

    It is probably a good time to confirm that the FTT(T) did conclude on Wednesday.

  15. Frirz Agrandoldteam says:

    Yesssssssssssss!

  16. curious onlooker says:

    RTC
    Do you have a link to the site where the eventual verdict is published ?

  17. pedro says:

    so possibly, he hasn’t lived up to whytes requirements of gaining funding. or vice versa, he has done as much as he can given the circumstances.

    or none of the above.

    maybe with Ellis on board we are now building a super duper casino…

  18. jonny says:

    Re Betts departure
    Does this fit Craig Whyte/whites MO in his previous business ventures .

  19. curious onlooker says:

    Pedro
    From shareholders circular “He also acts as a consultant to high net worth
    individuals on domestic and overseas property developments”.

    The 3rd/4th party/ mystery man ????

    Stab in the dark !!!!
    We´ll have to wait and see.

  20. TheBlackKnight says:

    Just as an aside,(to my previous post) the THREE companies listed as Mr Ellis being Director, 2 have accounts overdue and the other dissolved. Seems to have omitted a couple too? (at least one should make one wonder why?)

    Should fit right in 🙂

    Oh, just something to keep ‘droid’ occupied 😉 (in good humour droid as I know you enjoy the digging)

    Ellis was a director of “PREMIER SPORTS DEVELOPMENTS LIMITED” (ceased trading 2007) and is currently a director of (what appears to be a management company for his own flat???) “37-41 EGERTON GARDENS RTM COMPANY LIMITED”

  21. Thomas says:

    RTC/all

    A question that might not have been asked:

    The arguement of Pre or Post tax calculations of the amount due; will this effect the limitations on HMRC for going after the beneficiaries of the EBT’s?

    Apologies if it’s already been asked but if not I will feel the smartest bhoy in class 🙂

  22. Thomas says:

    jonny says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:16 pm
    Re Betts departure
    Does this fit Craig Whyte/whites MO in his previous business ventures
    —————————————

    My gut feeling is the connection with Close Brothers. (There was a connection or am I just imagining it?)

    Also, Non Exec Director was a requirement for Companies House/Plus SX if I recall correctly.

    Minor formality I guess.

    Another deck-chair moved.

  23. jonny says:

    Thomas says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:20 pm

    cheers

  24. Thomas says:

    jonny says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:27 pm
    ————————–

    Sorry should have said “connection with Close Brothers and a possible conflict of interest”.

    I.e. Rangers owe money to CB and Phil Betts has a vested interest in both.

    I could be confusing CB with Colyier Bristow.

    Someone help me out? HMcE, TBK?

  25. rab says:

    Great news that the tribunal has finished, and now a wee morsel to chew on regards ellis. Back on track.

  26. Lord Wobbly says:

    rangerstaxcase says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:01 pm
    An interesting day.
    It is probably a good time to confirm that the FTT(T) did conclude on Wednesday.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    I’m sure col will have something to say about that! I hope you can back it up 😀

  27. TheBlackKnight says:

    easyJambo on 20/01/2012 at 5:53 pm said:
    Ok – why the director change now?

    Has Betts achieved what he set out to do on the RFC board and is moving on?
    Has Betts got something else on his plate?
    Has there been a breakdown in communications between CW and PB?
    Is it an agreed change on a certain date?
    •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••

    EJ, I believe the answer lies here.
    http://www.plus-sx.com/newsItem.html;jsessionid=7A56A3E25B8F1D65FD82597060990675?newsId=1457698

    TIDMRFC

    The Rangers Football Club P.L.C.

    (the “Club”, the “Company” or the “Group”)

    Statement re suspension

    As a result of the delay in publishing its audited accounts to 30 June 2011 the
    board announce that the Company’s shares have been suspended from trading on
    PLUS pursuant to Rule 51.

    The delay has been caused as a result of finalising the audit, which the board
    believe will be complete on or around 31 January 2012. The delay in finalising
    the audit is principally related to the ongoing HMRC tax tribunal.

    The board of the Rangers Football Club plc is currently considering the merit
    of maintaining its listing on the PLUS market after 6 May 2012 being the date
    12 months following the acquisition of the 85.3 per cent. holding of the
    Company by The Rangers FC Group Limited.

    The Directors of The Rangers Football Club P.L.C. accept responsibility for
    this announcement.

    END

    (END) Dow Jones Newswires

    January 09, 2012 07:46 ET (12:46 GMT)

    —————–

    The PLC “board”? The Whyte Knight and Betts. Now The Whyte Knight and Ellis. (perhaps Smith? Russell?)

    Reputations to retain!!!

    All is not rosey in the garden it seems.

  28. rab says:

    RTC

    Now the tribunal is over, is there a chance that you could release more info. Will you have to wait for the decision before you can be more open about what you know. And will you be keeping a couple of crackers under the radar to make the book explosive.

  29. Lord Wobbly says:

    rab says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:39 pm
    RTC
    Now the tribunal is over, is there a chance that you could release more info. Will you have to wait for the decision before you canbe more open about what you know. And will you be keeping a couple of crackers under the radar to make the book explosive.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Jean and Brenda? 😀

  30. Paulsatim says:

    From FF ( not the goalkeeper), re Eliis back in 2010

    Who is Andrew Ellis?
    By MR BELLWEATHER
    Updated Monday, 10th May 2010
    Rangers RSS Feed

    Andrew Ellis, it seems, is a man who doesn’t want people to know much about him. What assets he has, what businesses he owns or is involved in, or his level of net worth.
    His attempts to purchase Rangers are being driven from off-shore where secrecy is king.
    A search of directors on companies’ house brings a return of 93 people by the name of Andrew Ellis. Although it is possible that the Andrew Ellis looking at Rangers is indeed 5 of those 93!

    Whilst I say it is possible it is very difficult to say for certain. I started my search using the parameters that we know about him; property, London based and in his early 40’s.

    The first result that caught my attention was the following:

    Andrew Ellis
    39 Egerton Gardens
    London
    SW3 2DD

    This Andrew Ellis was born on 12th May 1967. This listing relates to a now dissolved company, Premier Sports Developments Ltd. A look into this suggests this company was involved with Northampton Town. A previous address was the Sixfields Stadium. This therefore was enough to establish this was Andrew Ellis; or at least the one we are interested in. He owned half the company and Kenneth William Good the other half.

    The second result of note was:

    Andrew Ellis
    50 Beauchamp Place
    London
    SW3 1NG

    However, this Andrew Ellis was born on the 2nd of May 1967. So, on the face of it perhaps a different Andrew Ellis? This result was in relation to another business described as a real estate agency. The company, now also dissolved, is Bradfield Marketing Ltd. Andrew Ellis owned 99 shares with Cheryl Ellis owning the other 1.

    The next result is what links the two Andrew Ellis’ so far:

    Andrew Ellis
    39 Egerton Gardens
    London
    SW3 2DD

    This Andrew Ellis is the same as the first one but has the same date of birth as the second, i.e. 2nd of May 1967. Therefore, there are three slightly different Andrew Ellis’ so far with details that suggest they are one and the same.

    This Andrew Ellis however is the director of a still active company. The company is Creedwell Ltd; again described as a real estate agency. The company’s credit rating has been suspended, it “appears financially valueless” according to a top credit search company. This company is owned 50/50 by Ellis and Oliver George Dodd who was mentioned in a Daily Record article about Ellis which suggests they are linked.

    Still following me?

    Andrew Charles Peter Ellis
    21 Queens Ride
    London

    This Andrew Ellis was born on the 2nd May 1967? Is it the same one as above? The Andrew Ellis looking at Rangers is the son of Peter Ellis so it’s possible. He is listed as the director of another two real estate and property firms. The first, Blunham Properties Ltd has had its credit rating suspended and again “appears to be financially valueless”. Its total net worth is minus £80,000. The company is owned by a David Ian Worrell although Ellis is the only director. The second company showing him as a director is a Braidhall Consultants Ltd, again in the property field and fully owned by the director. The company is a new company and has never filed any accounts and suppliers/creditors are warned to “exercise extreme caution” before offering any credit terms to the company.

    Indeed, in Blunham Properties Ltd there are two directors listed as Andrew Charles Peter Ellis with a date of 2nd May 1967. So, are there only two Andrew Charles Peter Ellis to use a terracing chant?

    Or are there five Andrew Ellis?! Five Andrew Ellis?!

    LET’S NOT GET TOO PARANOID!

    If I’ve not lost you by now how about this one:

    Tobias Andrew Ellis
    Andrew Ellis Estate Agents Ltd

    The above company operate out of premises in 97-101 Lowfield Street in Dartford, Kent. Tobias Andrew Ellis is a director alongside Michael Rossi and Gino Cinganelli. This company has again had its credit rate suspended, “appears financially valueless” and has a negative total net worth of £24,000. This Ellis though was born on the 2nd March 1986 – could it be the son of sharing the same birthday?!

    This Kent estate agency has a registered office on the 2nd floor, 35 Great Marlborough Street, London, W1F 7JF.

    What was the name of the offshore trust used by Andrew Ellis to launch his bid for Rangers? Yes, Marlborough Trust. Now, that is clearly not conclusive proof of anything but it is not uncommon for street names or house names etc linked to a company to be used in their more discreet activities.

    However, despite these co-incidences the company has distanced itself from the deal! – http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2010/march/11/rangers_in_dartford.aspx

    I’m not saying 100% that Tobias Andrew Ellis is linked to our Andrew Ellis but there are a few curious co-incidences!

    For most people and/or businesses that move off shore after a relative period of success makes it worth their while there is always some kind of trail – none of that can be established with Andrew Ellis. The only trail we can establish here is one of low net worth businesses and very little substance.

    Have we managed to identify the real Andrew Ellis above? If not then he must have been able to hide all traces of himself. Both considerations leave the question – do we want either involved in buying the club?
    =======================================

    Another one who uses different DOBs? Pardon the pun!

  31. OnandOnandOnand says:

    One might want to check the Companies House record next week to see if Betts has resigned from any other companies. Is he still a director of Wavetower or any of the other Whyte associated companies?

  32. jean says:

    Lord Wobbly says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:42 pm

    Oi you! 🙂

  33. rab says:

    LW

    😀

    both were a credit to themselves, this site and womankind today, well played girls. And to think of the flak that came our way, back in the day, with the gentle wooing 😀

    Do you think paulies lunch has became dinner, and will we be able to understand him at suppertime. 😀

  34. Brenda says:

    ye Lord Wobbly @ 6:42 pm
    Oi you 🙂 lol

  35. jean says:

    rab says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:50 pm

    jeezo remember where that banter got us! tame by comparison eh 😉

  36. TheBlackKnight says:

    Paulsatim on 20/01/2012 at 6:44 pm

    You may have just momentarily spoiled droids fun! However, still more ‘dirt’ to turn over in the garden 😉

  37. StevieBC says:

    Paulsatim says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:44 pm
    From FF ( not the goalkeeper), re Eliis back in 2010

    Who is Andrew Ellis?
    By MR BELLWEATHER
    Updated Monday, 10th May 2010
    Rangers RSS Feed

    Andrew Ellis, it seems…
    ====================
    Interesting Comment.

    So on the Plc Board we have the MBB who – allegedly – has a problem remembering how to spell his surname – and his DoB. We shouldn’t be too hasty with our opinions, as I’m sure we have all done the same at some point. 🙄

    However, we now have another new Board member who – allegedly – has a problem remembering his DoB. What are the odds of the same Plc Board being populated by Directors who have a problem with numbers ?

    Perhaps prior to the AGM, [don’t laugh], shareholders could ask the MBB and Ellis to bring their birth certificates to confirm who they really are ?!

  38. rab says:

    Paulsatim.

    Ellis has 4 names, Andrew Charles Peter Ellis. Mixing the forenames around gives him six personas, throw in the various cw’s and the question must be.

    Could you fit them all in a phonebox.

  39. jimswirlz says:

    Without getting into any mud slinging and without catching up on ALL the posts since last night, (rest assured I shall do this evening.) I would like to toss my chapeau into the ring as it were. I find it strange that the self imposed exile of CO and the re emergance of Adam from his other ventures should collide at the same time……

    I would also like to say that I have only briefly looked at the blog over the last 24 hrs but the stench of hatred is not in line with this great blogs general output. Mostly the main protagonists but also the note worthy tupence worthers, contribute to a facinating read that I look foward to on a periodic basis. Im sure everyone would agree that this is a much better served platform when viewded and expressed from a slightly more neutral stand point, and I say that as a Celtic supporter from a half and half family! and I mean that in the extreme both ways!!!!

    I read from Scott Roberts last night (which i cant find now, but would love to be directed to the original source, as I believe he was quoting someone else) a piece that I think sumed it all up, it could have took a less staunch Celtic view… none the less, it was a fine read. Now if you had substituted RFC for a high street brand would ANYONE disagree with the undertone of the statement? I doubt it…

    Could everyone get back to the case in hand and contribute again to my night time reading and merryment, Balvenies all round 😉

    How DO you do smilies on here?

    *Back to lurking mode*

  40. Tyke Bhoy says:

    Paulsatim says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:44 pm

    Another one who uses different DOBs? Pardon the pun!
    ====================================

    Not just different DOB’s but also a string of directorships in valueless/liquidated companies.

    The MBB’s DOB discrepancy has been mentioned on this blog previously as possibly a clerical error that the Whyte Knight just didn’t have corrected but 2 business collaborators with more than 1 recorded DOB at Companies house is surely pushing coincidence. If this is deliberate deception is it not also a criminal offence?

  41. Par Annoyed says:

    Paulsatim@6.44

    So that’s why their called DOBs!!

  42. jonny says:

    Paulsatim says:
    20/01/2012 at 6:44 pm
    I think if you search google for Andrew ellis doncaster there is a link ,who do we know at Doncaster FC recently ,a certain football agent ,who do we know did a deal with this agent which led to a raid by CLP .I think the said club were to be wound up but have been given a reprieve for the next 3 weeks .
    Probably 2+2 making 5 but who knows what to think in this whole saga

  43. Burton says:

    I love this bit-

    Craig Whyte, Chairman, said “On behalf of the board I am pleased to welcome
    Andrew Ellis as a non-executive director of the Club. Andrew is already a
    director of the Rangers FC Group and his previous experience in football will
    be a benefit to the Club as we look to the future.”

    His previous experience in football is detailed in this video- http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/rangers/163265-full-interview-rangers-fans-warned-over-andrew-ellis-football-past/

    Key bit- Recalled Casey of Ellis’ arrival at Northampton. “He was saying all the right things.

    “But then he left the club within eight weeks, stating business reasons. Who knows what they were. Within eight weeks he had left the club and it was a pretty shambolic eight weeks, to be honest.

    “I am sure they [Northampton fans] will be amazed. Anyone who remembers that time and thinks that this is the same man who tried to run Northampton Town and he is now going to try and run a massive club like Glasgow Rangers… will be amazed.

    His only other experience in football was an unpopular and abortive attempt to take over QPR and move them to Heathrow. Choice snippet:

    Ian Holloway was QPR boss at the time of Ellis’s failed takeover and they didn’t hit it off straight away.

    Holloway,now Blackpool manager, said: “He came in and told me the office I was sitting in was going to be his and if I didn’t pull my finger out I wouldn’t be having Christmas lunch.

    “Whether it was tongue in cheek or not I don’t know. He’s a QPR fan and liked football but I don’t know anything about his business acumen or how much money he’s got.

    Old news to most keen followers of the blog, so apologies to you.

  44. jonny says:

    jimswirlz says:
    20/01/2012 at 7:02 pm
    I think that piece was taken from CQN and the poster was James Forrest

  45. Tyke Bhoy says:

    jimswirlz says:
    20/01/2012 at 7:02 pm

    The Scott Roberts post was what kicked off the worst of today’s carnage which has seen RTC put circa 200 posts into moderation. 2 people you mention in your post described the contents of that post as garbage and that really kicked it off

    From my observations of postings on here the original poster was “James Forrest is Neil Lennon” and the originalcan be found on the KDS messageboard/blog

    I would stress that a fair few of the 200 posts in moderation were “innocent” but I don’t blame RTC for removing all as it would have taken hours to read all and then remove the offensive ones. RTC has said that the more pertinent on topic posts may be reinstated should he find time to vet them

  46. rab says:

    Jean

    It certainly was tame by comparison, this blog is at its best when the heavyweights have something meaty and relevant to discuss, lay persons asking questions and the odd bit of humour to lighten a complex situation. Its a great place to spend some ( ALL ) of my time.

  47. Auldheid says:

    rangerstaxcase says:

    20/01/2012 at 6:01 pm

    An interesting day.

    It is probably a good time to confirm that the FTT(T) did conclude on Wednesday.
    ————————————–
    Aye but, aye but did the FTT or the FTTT or the FT(T)T finish? I think we have the right to know! 🙂

  48. col says:

    I couldn’t possibly say what I know adam, like RTC I have to protect sources I am sure you understand.

    What I can say is that HMRC may well regret ever agreeing to a tribunal, their presentation was to be kind dire in the extreme, not often if ever that the hvnter has become the hvnted in a case like this.

  49. the taxman cometh says:

    Col that is in the top 5 of the funniest things I have ever heard….

  50. Thomas says:

    col says:
    20/01/2012 at 7:21 pm
    ———————————-

    I’m going to call shenanigins.

    Relatively new poster recognising the moderation of the H word.

    We don’t take kindly to folk who don’t take kindly around here.

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